9/27 Clubhouse town hall (英語版)

Paul
0:00
How about you had a little trip away this week. How was that, um, it's been good i I'm in Palm Springs, sweating, on Friday, is weird here, but it's really really nice and work. Well I'm just weddings. This was my first post Kokomo. We've seen so many people, I was great. That's nice. I really like weddings. I love weddings one time in one year. Yeah, the year that Jen and I got married, I think we went to a wedding. Every weekend, I think that was one weekend that we went to two weddings. I was invited to all those checks for checking, you know, literally, like, it peaked like, I don't know when I was like 30 Probably one year we had to the next year we had four then six and eight and 10 to 12, then 10 Then eight and six then for the Paul, how many years ago were you, were you 35 To many,

Anu
1:06
As long as possible,

Paul
1:12
man. All right. Hydrate yeah let's do it. Let's do it. Everybody to the clubhouse weekly town all special there are so many features coming at this. We do this every week we talk about what we're building, and what's happening in the community and what's coming up next. And most importantly, we use time to take your questions so we limit the thing to an hour. And if you have a question at any point in in your life, you can go to clubhouse, calm, and submit a question at the bottom of the page, even if it has nothing to do with clubhouse, you can just send us questions and we'll do our best. And what we do every week is we aggregate the ones that were most frequently asked, and then we try and go through all of them in town hall, and if you have a new question you come up with, you can go, send it there right now, or you can hit us up in the back channel, usually talk too long, and we don't have time to get to new questions but, but, you know, we don't have too much to talk about on the, on the product front right now today so like maybe, maybe there will be so like if you have a question, send it our way. and. And that's really it. So, we, we usually start with me, preparing a coffee and drinking it while Steph is doing the highlights from the past week, so that sounds pretty good to me because I could use a coffee right now so let's bring up stuff to talk about what happened on capacitors week staff, staff, staff,

Stephanie
2:45
is that your way of saying you don't listen to my highlights. No, I

Anu
2:49
love the clubhouse model and we like,

Paul
2:53
we like to give you time rather than take time away yeah, designed the whole product so that you can

Stephanie
2:58
multitask. That is brilliant, that is a brilliant read a lot of times a clubhouse people are taking

Paul
3:03
a run they're going for a drive they're drinking their coffee in the morning.

Stephanie
3:08
This is true I just did all of those things this morning in New York I just came back from the park so I'm hydrated and energize and some of the benefits of being on the East Coast, like rolling sometimes he's moved to the East Coast, given his morning schedule.

Paul
3:23
I know. I know mio is like, it's so peaceful meetings don't start till noon.

Stephanie
3:29
Ron, come on over. Okay, anyway. Alright, so most Latinos, what do I let's just let me first say a continuation of what is an incredible month here on clubhouse and in the United States which is Hispanic appreciation or here on clubhouse Latinx Appreciation Month, so somos Latinos hosted great conversations this week and one in particular about the Latin media and journalism space Maria Ramirez and her team talked with journalists, better allies and hosts better about a gun on their experiences in the Latin media space, and the way it's shaped their careers Pedro Vasquez and the Latinos who photograph club hosted a great room celebrating identity and Latina Latina dad, which I love is like, I love saying these words on your nose that Pedro and the team talked about their cultural backgrounds, experiences, and what it means to be Latin next, they'll be having some incredible photographer chats in the coming weeks with Allah, Allah Hungary Bada and MIMO Vasquez to talk about creativity, culture and their work so if you would like to check those out. I'm going to repeat it one more time, Latinos who photograph check it out. For those who follow technology and thought leadership, then you already know probably about unfinished live conference, there's so many conferences, obviously, but this one has really taken shape over the last couple years very quickly. If you don't know it just let me say that is one of the most incredible gatherings of experts in subjects like civic life on the internet, and ethical technology and all sorts of big questions that keep you up all night. Last week we had the opportunity to work I'm going to say by we I mean Kelly and Chris such incredible work on this. We had the opportunity to work with them to set up some live streaming conversations on clubhouse led by creators live from glass pods, at unfinished lives clubhouse lounge at the shed right here in New York. It was really cool to hear some of the community favorites like Denise Hamilton, Imani Ellis Maceio Paisley Jenny Stephen naughty Jason Stein our and so many more attending the conference and also participating in this collaboration and we hope it's the first of many. You can be on the lookout for what's next by joining there. It's called by unfinished club

Paul
5:42
you in the photos of I know the the behind the scene photos of them doing the actual rooms.

Stephanie
5:50
Yeah and I mean it just a plug here like I think it was so I really enjoyed seeing so many just like really almost dense might be the word but just really dense conversations that just kind of cut me completely plugged to my phone, the last two days no

6:04
good way I will point out yet. Yeah.

Anu
6:06
Right. With quality

Stephanie
6:10
tagged with quality Yeah, yeah, like right maybe ripe is better anyway really great in the vein of life on the internet. I think with Balenciaga is drop on fortnight and meet Paul Rowhani if you understand what that sentence means Blizzy drop on fortnight led to a stream of conversations in our hallways, everything from digital fashion and identities with Ben deeds Jeff Carvalho and the culture club to a conversation on Fox his new show called alter ego with well I am in Grimes, really fascinating conversations about everything from crypto fashion and like I said digital identities and getting to experiment with our alter egos, with avatars, I really love all those conversations. The NFT community on clubhouse had a big moment on Friday hosted by Kat Cole in the leadership lab with Platon and Nadia from Riot for their drop, combining a celebration of their NFT and a thoughtful conversation on photography storytelling and leading with creativity. If you would not use this as proton second time on the platform. The first is with Edward Snowden, and I remember that. If you've not heard this man tell his story. Wow, tune in. That's how you grab a coffee and sit down for his. He's amazing.

Paul
7:22
I was I was driving on that one man and I was like driving through LA for some reason we we like pulled over on the side of the road to get here because the reception was coming in and out,

Stephanie
7:33
ya know he's, it was really quite something and that was a great moment for people who aren't familiar with NF T's to experience a really unique drop and of course quite cool for anyone who knows the space well and follows these artists. Couple quick cup. Few more shout out to Tom Newman for an incredible live set this Friday from the magnum opus Radio Club, he provided all the vibes and kicked off Friday the right way. He had a lot of us dancing, including myself. If you speak Japanese, and are interested in upping your nutrition game. No Nobunaga is so Nobunaga and Yoshi told me, has been hosting daily nutrition rooms at 8am Japanese Standard Time to kick off your weekday mornings, our very own Paul Davison dropped in last week to take part in a conversation on the benefits of avocados, but mostly it

Paul
8:22
was Nobunaga Sunday was like. So, hosting these daily rooms that are bringing in like, I don't know. 15 100,000 current every day like, on, on, on all sorts of different topics and this one was specifically on avocados and I jumped in and I'm like, I love avocados, do you know California is the avocado capital of the US and San Diego where I'm from, is responsible for 40% of the elbow of a condo group in California, it was. I mean the energy that they have in those rooms is incredible. It was really really really cool.

Stephanie
8:55
I wonder if avocado toast has taken over Japan like it has the United States,

Paul
9:00
it was, we did discuss that we did, and has, it was, it's a less common use over there, but there were of course familiar with it.

Stephanie
9:10
Yeah, it really has taken over. I mean, you can't, you can't have brunch without an avocado toast on the menu. Okay, multi talented writer, director and actor bar on October, made his clubhouse debut to celebrate 20 years of his screenplay deal, shut up, and iconic film that changed filmmaking in Bollywood fact check me but not factually but pronunciation check me I knew that

Anu
9:34
I say that right chata Hey,

Stephanie
9:37
there you go. Thank you, on, that's why. That's why I asked right. Go ahead. Did you listen. Did you listen I did

Anu
9:45
I jumped up on stage I gave a welcome I you know I didn't say this in that room because one of our rules that we talked about news orientation, not a rule but a guide is like, Don't fan boy fan girl. Like not even joking you for her like Tara is like on my list of people that I think is just immensely talented. He's like a director, writer, actor, producer singer songwriter like long line of this in his family so pretty amazing to have that behind the scenes conversation here on clubhouse and shout out to Ani, of course who hosts all these amazing rooms, that's exactly

Stephanie
10:20
good segue that Kurt is gonna say, on one of our India creator first winners. She hosts weekly conversations like these via the Bollywood film club again, Hollywood film Comm, and I knew I feel like it's okay to fanboy or fangirl when you're also multi talented I don't know maybe that's just me. And the last name. But, yeah. The last thing I'll share is something we have all been waiting for and lullaby club is back for two, I mean, I know exactly. Well play. Season two especially starts today with Axel mentor and friends. We're gonna have the same lovely, lovely lullabies, but they have, I actually got a sneak peak the other night they had a lullaby club members only like preview and if they've got a brand new jingle and new hosts and a new schedule, but it kicks off tonight with special guests, JP Sachs at 9pm Pacific, I'll see you there with my hydrating mask chic blue light glasses, my mom and my PJs, so I hope we'll see all of you guys there and that's all

Paul
11:31
for the week. Thank you, Steph Lexi. Lexi wrote the back channel confirmed policy currently sponsored by big avocado.

Stephanie
11:46
I mean, we didn't even get to like our favorite preparations that we probably I think you should go back to the room next week and just take

Paul
11:53
that we actually did talk about that, and yeah,

Stephanie
12:01
I knew it. So here's the trick I heard for I met I learned from my French friend instead of like making a salad you've cut open the avocado filler which I could be jumping regret and just scoop it right out it's really lovely healthy and easy. There you go. That's your tip

Anu
12:22
with salt, lime and black pepper.

Paul
12:25
This is the problem when we did the room that Japan room it was morning their time but it was like, just before dinner our time. So we were all like, Oh I'm so hungry.

Stephanie
12:39
Let's get through town hall and people can have their lunch.

Paul
12:42
Oh yeah, that's good. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Okay, what do we want all right thank you so much staffs. Oh, What a week is great. It's tiring. Because we are shipping a bunch of stuff we got a bunch of stuff in the works. There's, there's going on Friday was jumping around, I'll leave that like the unfinished conference rooms, and all the people that you had mentioned staff all these clubhouse creators who could I feel like we've come to know on this platform coming live from this big event in New York. It's like one of my favorite things is just reminding myself that I didn't know any of these people, like a year ago. Like I know them so well right now. And like all, you know, we all fit in a single room a little over a year ago, which is crazy so. So that was great, I love that. Thank you again Kelly and crystal and everyone else who helped make that happen and most importantly the creators who led that. Another thing which is really cool we mentioned this in a little surprise midweek town hall that we did is this past week we saw our 1 billion back channel message. Get set. Wow, which I didn't even realize that like when we launched it. I know it, people took to it pretty quickly. And, and, like, a big percentage of people on the app every day use it but it was, we saw our billions that general message gets sent in and I'm really excited to see that because like back channel is, it's something that we can't it was kind of just something where we were like, we feel this is important. We feel there are a bunch of use cases for this we feel like it's gonna be foundational I feel like we've only just started to could build the right features into back channel like we you know we still have to do the ability to send photos and videos and then imagine when club creators can message, their community through that when my mods in a room can message the audience through that like there's, there's so much more to be built there. But we already have a billion messages sent through there, which is crazy to me so, so that was really exciting. The other thing of course this week, that, That was exciting for us, is wave.

Paul
15:02
So, Thursday we introduce something that we call wave, hopefully you've seen it in the app right now. And if you have it, what you can do is go to the hallway and go to your swipe from from the left to the right to go to you, go to the sidebar, and you can see a new button with a little wave symbol or if you see any friends of yours in the room, meaning people who follow you tap on them, you'll see a wave button on their profile right now. And it replaced the old button that said classroom, and, and let me, let me just talk briefly about that so people know what it is. Wave is just a really easy way to start private rooms with your friends on clubhouse, and there's a post on the blog if you go to blog clubhouse calm that tells you all about it and shows you what it looks like it's been amazing to see people using it and catching up with their friends and starting rooms with it. There was, there was a mad scientist too. It looked like this person managed to take the wave and replace it with the Italian fingers, but I think they just started a private room and titled

Stephanie
16:05
it was kind of amazing actually. It was pretty amazing. I heard like it's the way they saw wave.

Paul
16:15
That's awesome. But the reason we built this thing like one of the goals with clubhouse we always talk about scaling intimacy, right, we always talk about, about making sure that no matter how big clubhouse gets no matter how many rooms are created each day no matter how many different topics and countries, it covers. You still have the ability to find your friends find your people find your communities and have these small friends of friends meaningful rooms that, that are really where a lot of the magical moments happen in clubhouse, like I mentioned this briefly before but like in the early days of class. The whole app was one room, like you'd open the app and you would just be in a room, there was no concept of an audience like everyone was a speaker so it was really participatory there was no follow graph, everyone followed everyone. And really this is sort of the foundation of where clubhouse started right like when when Ron I started giving the data to a few people to try we we deliberately tried to, to sort of create this community where there was a lot of overlap and overlap in like the friend circles but also that expanded out a little bit so you can come see your friends like see familiar faces but also meet their friends and their friends and, but but it really really felt very, very intimate and and a fun fact that I was just remembering that the app icon badge, you know, the red badge that you see on the home screen of your phone. It used to show you the number of people who are in the app right then. So like, if there were

Stephanie
17:58
three me, I don't even know. Yeah, that.

Paul
18:01
Yeah, there were six people in a room, the dads would say six, and it, not even in a room, in, in clubhouse. And it was cool, so you could just see whether your friends were hanging out and talking or not directly from your home screen and you could you could jump in. You know when we launched other types of notifications, we had to change how that works and obviously that doesn't really scale right now. But yeah, the badge told you how many people were in club at the time in the early days, and, and the invite model, which we're, we're very grateful to be passed the invite model right now because we've always wanted to build clubhouse for everyone. And we really just wanted to make sure that as we scaled the community the experience for everyone on the app got better, rather than worse, and, and the one of the nice things about starting with an invite model, is it ensured that as clubhouse was ramping up as clubhouse was growing. Everyone could come to the party with a friend. Everyone could come in and no people there already, and then get to meet their friends, and that's what wave is really designed for it's designed to help keep that intimacy intact, and we really hope that people like it, the, the way that it works very briefly is when you, when you open clubhouse, you can just go check out the sidebar and see which of your friends are online, or have been online recently and you can, if you're open to talking with any of them. You can wave at them, and the wave just means like, I'm up for talking now if you are, you know it's it's pretty casual and pretty lightweight, and you can wave a one person, or you can wave at 100 people you can wave it 1000 People you can wave as many friends as you want. And the cool thing about it is you can just go about your day like after you wave at people, you can go check out the hallway, you can go jump into rooms you can, and just use clubhouse like you normally would. And that little bar will follow along with you as you jump into other rooms to remind you that you've waved at these six people. And if any of them except that a new room will start, and it will be just open to those people that you waved at. So any of them could still join so if I wave to 20 people, and one person joins a second one a third one five more like any of those 20 people can join in. And so as you're talking like new friends will come in and it, you can open it up into a social room if you want to do that or you can just keep it intimate, you can try to just wave at people who are all within one friend group or you could wave in a bunch of people from different friend groups and then you get to like introduce them to each other. So there's a lot of that cross pollination. If at any point you wave to people, and you jump into another room and you're like, actually I'm enjoying this room. I don't really want to have those, those wav conversations anymore, you could tap a little bar in the bottom and you can say, I can't talk anymore and it will cancel all the waves. If you background the app, like you need to go send a text or like, you know work thing comes up, it'll, it'll suspend your waves that will pause them so that you don't accidentally get pulled into a room when the app is in the background, like we tried to be really thoughtful about how it works. So it's in spirit, it's similar to the little plus Room button that we used to have, right where you could tap that invite someone to go to a new room with you, but in practice it's actually, it's much different because you don't have to go and wait in an empty room and hope that they join right you can you can go browse the hallway you can jump into other rooms you can do all sorts of other stuff so it extends that time dimension, but you also can wave at as many people as you want all at once, you don't have to do them each time in sequence. So, so that's really a little bit of how a wave works and some of the thinking behind it. And we've been getting some really good feedback on it. And we've been using it a bunch internally, and hopefully people like it if you have thoughts on it I'm sure that I'm sure that there are things that we can do to, to improve it to make it better. But, but I just wanted to say, go give it a shot and let us know what you think. Okay. The second thing that I wanted to mention was, or the next thing I wanted to mention was just last week's kickoff of Latinx Heritage Month, and all the programming that's going alongside that, he shows you're going to continue in the coming weeks, so, so please go to the hallway and tap the Search icon and follow amigos club, CIN gonna F somos Latinos Latinos who photograph, if you want to be part of those conversations. I've seen what's coming up and they're gonna be really good so we're really really excited about that.

Paul
22:33
All right, last thing I want to mention is product there, there's not too much to talk about on the product for right now. The latest release when last week went out on Thursday and that had wave on both iOS and Android. There bunch of other smaller things in there, really focused on Discovery, helping you find the best people or follow the best clubs to join. And, you know, things like that. There's some other small prompts and optimizations to the experience that we made, but nothing dramatic and really user facing this reef released besides wave wave was really big one. But we've got a bunch of other really exciting stuff that's coming up, and you'll hear more about all of that soon. And so we have more time for q&a This week on you so I can be extra, extra verbose and long winded with all of my product

Anu
23:33
versus the. There are so many new features coming edition. Yeah, take more questions this week.

Paul
23:41
Oh yeah, one thing I should mention, wait to the wait feature. It's currently rolled out to 90% of users. And we do that sometimes just to make sure we do like a holdout to make sure that everything's working okay and, and, you know, people enjoying the feature, but it's gonna be rolled out to 100% Very soon, to make sure that everything looks okay. So if you don't have the feature and you're wondering why. First thing is, go update the app, it doesn't work if you don't, it doesn't, it doesn't work properly unless you update the app to the latest version. If you're on the latest version and you still don't have it, you're probably in that 10% holdout group and we're very grateful for your patience, and it should be out to everyone, very soon.

Anu
24:24
Yeah, shout out to John for letting us know. So yeah. All right. Shall we get into questions and, not surprisingly, I think we should start with a few questions about wave, since there was a lot of chatter about that this week you might have covered some of them but let me go through some quick hits and then we can see. Yeah. How long do you want to spend on this. Okay. All right, some quick ones. When I wave at someone, what exactly does it tell or signal to the other person or people,

Paul
24:54
so they get a toast. Which means like one of those little dropdowns at the top of their screen it's a special color it's yellow, not green or red. That's new. Yeah. And watch out. You can't, you can't keep track of maneuvers were all over the place. You get a little toast in the app. It says it'll say something like Paul waved at you start a room with them, and you can say, Yes, or I forget the exact language but you can say like, Yeah, let's do it. Or you can say, not now. And if you say start a room with them, then it will pull them into a room, like there's no ambiguity, they will be pulled into a room to get started room with them because they've already signaled that they're willing to be pulled into a room by waving at you. Or you can say not now, and then two other things I should note, if you miss. If you missed that toaster if you don't respond to it, but there will be other ways to know that they waved at you, there'll be a little indicator in the hallway at the top of the hallway that someone has waved at you. And if you go over to your sidebar, there'll be a button where there'll be at the top of your list of friends and will indicate that they've already waved at you and you can tap a button that says talk, which will effectively like immediately open a room with them and you will be talking with them, as soon as you've tapped that button. So that's that's what they'll see,

Anu
26:17
we've had some nice discussion rooms right after we launched the feature on Thursday and one thing a lot of people are saying that they're just like, oh, at first I thought it was just a way to wave at people, and it wouldn't actually result in a room being created, so I feel like people want to say hi and they don't always necessarily want to create their Yeah,

Paul
26:35
yeah. We thought about that. So the first time you go to do it, you'll see a pop up, then tells you what it's going to do, and tells you that wave, friends, it like if you want to chat with them like if you wanna start a room with them. And so we try and do that upfront education, because, because yeah I hear you I think it's also a nice thing to do just to wave at someone, I also think that there is a, it could be wrong, I can't remember where we landed on this but I think when you get that yellow toast. I forgot to mention there's a third option, which is a little back channel button, so you can see if someone waves at you, you can either say you can start room with them, or you can decline or think you can message them and be like hey can't talk right now but great to see you. Yeah,

Anu
27:24
I think I've heard also it'd be nice to have the back channel button in the sidebar next to the wave option, so it's like, go in a room with them or send them a back channel.

Paul
27:35
Oh, interesting. So right now you can. Let's see. Hold on a second. You know you can. Oh, yeah, you know you can do if you. Yeah, if you tap on them, it'll show on the half sheet.

Anu
27:49
Yep. Right, okay. All right, a couple more questions. How long does a wave, request or wave message last which you covered a bit, but I think people want to know.

Paul
28:02
Yeah, okay. So, I think, and wrong correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it lasts until you cancel it, but the way that you can cancel it there, there, let me tell you anything so I waved at you. If at any point in time, I decide I don't really want to talk anymore. I can tap on the little waiver at the bottom and I could say can't talk anymore, and that'll cancel the wave. If I jump on stage, or if I back around the app, like I go into another app, it'll suspend it, but it'll pull that wave away. If I like but the other thing that we want to account for is like what if you get a text message and you want to quickly text someone and then jump back into clubhouse. a lot. That's it pretty common occurrence. And so we didn't want to have you wave like go through and carefully pick 12 people you want to wave at, and then you get a text and you go to like say Okay, sounds good and then you come back to clubhouse and all your waves are gone. So if you reopen the app within, I think 10 minutes, it'll unsuspend your waves, and this will be clear to you the weight bar will still be there it'll all be, you know, all make sense I think we send a notification saying you background of the app so we've suspended your waves and you come back in and you see they're there. But I think if you leave the app for more than 10 minutes. We do not on suspend them when you come back in, like they're gone. So, so basically a wave lasts until you can pull it off until you leave the app.

Anu
29:29
Can I can I create multiple wave rooms at once.

Paul
29:36
Would that work, like, how would you be in multiple rooms at once.

Anu
29:39
So I think what well I suppose. Being in them but what happened when we were testing it with a group of community members like earlier this week it was like, so if I create a wave room and I bring a bunch of people in there anybody else that I then want to wave at will only join that room. So there was a question of, can I simultaneously have created two wave rooms, not necessarily simultaneously be in boats I create one. Leave that go create another one with a different group of people.

Paul
30:11
Oh like you leave them. And,

Anu
30:15
okay, guys talk and then I'm going to go

Stephanie
30:19
like Mike like exactly mentioned her conference it's like,

Paul
30:27
Oh, buddy. That's so funny. I, I assume, but I don't know, Robin, do you know how that works right now. If anyone on the team knows how that

Anu
30:45
Daniel might Daniel my pay why they were, they were really great on the

Paul
30:49
mechanics, and they know the answer to this question. So here's the question. To recap, I go away with a bunch of people, we start a room. Everyone's hanging out, I leave the room, but they're still talking. Can I go wave of more people and start a second baby. Well, I'm having a hard time hearing your productivity thing back that channel me and let me know. So, that's a great question. I actually don't know the answer to how this works. So, hopefully someone on the team can get us an answer and we will come back to this question afterwards. Okay. I couldn't hear it, but yes,

Anu
31:31
runs like a question but yeah, I feel like

Paul
31:35
I think probably somebody from the team is probably better equipped to answer the question.

Stephanie
31:40
Okay. If possible, I feel like we should call this the talk amongst yourselves. Great.

Anu
31:49
Like, you know when you're getting grabbing a plate of food you start one table and then you need to start saying table. Okay. All right, this is a, a interesting question that has come up. So, what are the differences between social rooms, waves, and pings, and where do they kind of overlap like where do you use with each other, versus each other.

Paul
32:09
Okay, this is, there's some weirdness here let me let me explain this one so social room is a room that's existed on clubhouse for a long time it's really special thing, and a social room is in between a private room and a public room, and a social room is something where only you're only the people you follow, and join so it's only the people who you think are interesting that you've chosen to follow. They're the only ones who can see this room, and they're the only ones who can join this room. So it tends to have like a friend friend vibe, and it they tend to be small, they tend to be intimate, and they're really, they're really special, they're really great. Now, the challenge for the social room is you can't pick who's going to be in there so if you follow 1000s of people, it's, you know, you, you're going to be surprised you don't know who's going to join. And the nice thing about wave is it wave is like in between a private room and a social room I guess where you can kind of handpick all the people that you want to have join. And it really is just a private room I suppose but like when you wave only the people that you waved at so if you waved at three people, and one of them joins, it's just the two of you, but those other two could also join if you wave to 10 people any of those 10 people could join so so wave is a private room, it just allows you to more easily pick who's invited to that private room. And, and so that's the difference between those two, you can open up rooms right so you could take like a private room and you can make it a social room, and we ask you when you wave people if you want to do that, you can make a social room a public room like you can always open it up. But that's really a difference. Now, a ping is a way to say, I want you to come join this room that already exists, so a little plus button in the bottom that is the ping, that means I'm in a room, you should come join me. The thing that's weird, which, which is admittedly confusing is, if you started, away from him. And you waved at some people and you're having fun. And then you want to go get more people to come join the room. If you, if you ping them that's fine, they can come join the room. If you go wave at them. That's kind of your instinct is to go wave at more people when you're in a room and it's fun and you want them to come join it. But, by the by the letter of the law, the, the wave is come start a new room with me so it should pull you out of that room that you already started and take you into new room which is, which was a really weird experience, when we were testing it. So we made an exception where if you start at the wave room and you wave at people, they come and join your current room. This is obviously way way way too confusing. But let me recap and call that where it's weird and we're all trying to learn it. So, wave rooms are just private rooms so it's just an easier way to start a private room with a bunch of people, and you could you could pick them all. You can wave at them all at once. You can go do other stuff but a wave is a private room, a social room is open just to the people that you follow and pinging is a way to invite people into your current room, and the weirdness is right now, if you started a wave room and you wave, more people, it'll effectively ping them into the current room rather than pulling you out of that existing room and taking you into a new room. So, even talking about this, I A. It's terrible, right this is like embarrassingly confusing so I think we need to fix that last case. And, but when you think about like how to fix that. You can either just accept the fact that if people are going to, if you go and wave at more people after you started wave room it's going to pull you out of your current room, which is a little bit weird. You can route, we can remove those wave buttons in the sidebar so that you're not tempted to go do that, but that would be a little bit weird. We could change those wave buttons to be pink buttons, which is a little weird, because the buttons change depending on the state, or we can show up a warning, and say, heads up, this is going to take you out of your current room do you want to ping them instead and give you the chance to ping them instead. And maybe that's the best solution but they're all a little messy right now.

Anu
36:35
Good recap, a lot of conversations we were having earlier this week.

Paul
36:40
Yeah, what's the feedback I obviously like people aren't clear on it because it's not clear at all. What would based on the conversations you've had on it. What would people like it to do.

Anu
36:50
Yeah, to be honest I don't think people are strongly opinionated yet on what they would like it to do but everybody's excited to test it out, they kind of want to figure out, like I think the question boils down to, like, in what scenario, should I be using like which feature. Yeah, I feel like that's often where people end up in terms of what they're trying to figure out. Yeah. Testing I'm sure will continue to get more feedback over the next week or so, and we're gonna think about it based on the feedback we've

Paul
37:18
already got yeah the solution that I mentioned. But, um, well, we'll talk about it with the team and configure. That's a great. All right. Sorry.

Anu
37:30
Yeah I love social rooms for a while so I'm excited about all the different permutations and I know you have loved the ping button. Okay. All right, getting back into some of our existing features and questions so back channel, still have a lot of suggestions coming in. I'm wondering when clubhouse would allow users to send pictures and videos via DMS. Also, would you be willing to give us a choice to, I guess not display that we are currently online with the green indicator for backchannels.

Paul
38:06
Yeah, the. So we wanted in both of those are I think they're probably like medium priority right now, relative to some of the other stuff that we're focused on more in the near term. And we are aggressively hiring from building our engineering teams so we can do all this stuff faster. I'm curious to know like obviously messaging should have the ability to send pictures and videos. What, what do you think the main use cases are that you've heard of for this are there any that are like clubhouse specific or is it just you know standard bestest

Anu
38:45
like it's just yes definitely what I see,

Stephanie
38:50
almost like a follow up to being able for a creator or moderator host to send some to them that they're referencing because I think it's almost always, you're sort of hosting a room where you want to share, like, Oh, here's this photo here's this video that you're referencing when they're, you know, it's almost like that's the second screen to whatever conversation you're having. So, at least in the rooms that I'm in that seems like the biggest use case, other than just sharing fun things back and forth with your friends on back channel

Paul
39:15
like video videos obviously different and totally at photo it's just that PTRC hacky yes

Stephanie
39:22
you hacky and some people maybe didn't hear a PTR and it's just like much more obvious. Again, it's like, we first need the ability to message people in your club or in your room if you want that feature. Not if you, but if a creator wants to turn on and sort of have that ability to share, but I think second to that yes, it'd be great to share video and photos.

Paul
39:43
Yeah, can I because I'm sorry go ahead on it then I want to know I

Anu
39:46
was gonna say, I definitely agree on the to mod group use case. I also think it's an extension of when you're sharing links in Backchannel, I know we can do now but it's like you want the link to actually pull up, you know, whatever the actual multimedia format might be. I think reactions would also help, we don't have reactions right now in back channel so I think, you know, there's a lot of multimedia usage for that use case too. Traditionally, I guess in messaging.

Paul
40:14
Oh yeah, like gifts to, oh no,

Stephanie
40:19
that's actually was the first thing I got my backchannels on it's like can we send we need to be able to send gifts

Anu
40:25
like yeah, gifts or some Millennium pods, it's memes.

Paul
40:32
Sorry.

Stephanie
40:33
Well Paul, both Paul and I are millennials so fairly.

Paul
40:38
The generously generous they call me that. No, we're grown because the. So let me, let me explain one thing about the ability for mods to send something to a whole room and club admins to send something to the whole club. We really want to do that. The thing that I keep getting to the answer to is how do you do it without, without overwhelming people's inboxes, because right now if you get a message in your inboxes badge that's really special. And you know it's important thing to go pay attention to it. That was part of a club that had 100,000 members, and the clubhouse was just sending these mass messages to everyone, then, does it badge, the end, does it badge my inbox. Is it in the normal inbox, it feels like it should be in the normal inbox, not the Request tab but everything in the normal inbox badges it right now. So it feels like it'd be weird to not do that. But then I also don't want the badge to become meaningless because you're getting spammed by an overzealous club admin. And so that's what I don't know the answer to right now. And if people have good thoughts on how they'd like that to work in a way that balances the needs of the different constituents like that that would be helpful because I'd love to enable this feature,

Anu
42:04
our healthy discussion, I feel like on way of impact channel so far. Yeah. Okay, now getting into some nitty gritty of existing features that we've had for quite a while. So with regards to room organization. Why are the rooms divided into followed by speakers, and everyone else. This might actually make it more difficult to kind of discover new people on the platform also does it really matter who is followed by the speakers aren't we ultimately just looking for quality conversation.

Paul
42:37
Ah, interesting. Yes, intentional thing, although there are a few different reasons. One is, it serves as, okay, so it makes it easy for the speakers to know when their friends have joined in case they want to pull them up on stage. And again, this is probably more relevant in social rooms, and in more intimate settings where it's kind of hanging out. Then in like large shows where you're, you know, typically not putting a lot of people up on stage but it makes it easy for you to know when your friends join. The second thing is it serves as a follow recommended for other people in the room and the idea is to say, hey if you enjoy listening to these speakers, then you might also be interested in following these people. And that's pretty important and it's pretty useful. And and so that's another reason why we did it. And, you know, it also, sometimes you might be in a room and you might wish that you were up there talking. And, you know, like, well in the early days we weren't sure how it would work like would it feel okay to be in a room and not be able to speak not be able to be on stage. But, but here it gives you an incentive to be there because you get discovered by other people, but you kind of have to, you kind of want it to be personalized and you want people to. If you've kind of done the work and you've contributed and you've been asking questions and, and, you know you've gained the followers of the speakers, then that's sort of, that's great, you know, it's just sort of rewards you from having done that, so there are a few different reasons like that I think the most important one, so are the people on stage can find their friends, and so that everyone else in the room, can, can get some follow up suggestions every time they're in a new room. Now this might evolve though because there are other things that we don't show you that could be useful, like, now that we have waving probably be cool if you're in the audience to see your friends, and know which of your friends are in the room right there are people on stage who have also. There are people who have also said okay I want to know which of the people who follow me. Which of the people in the room, follow me, because then I can see who my, my, you know, top fans and my most engaged audience members are good, because they're always in the room. And so I think there are some things that we, that, that we might want to add also when rooms get really, really big. When we remove the room cap, and you can have an infinite number of people in the room. Then, but we're not going to show you everyone in the room at that point. So how do we do that like so. So I think this stuff will evolve but that's kind of why we did fall by the speakers. That's why it works the way it does today.

Anu
45:35
All right, I'm gonna push us into 2x Speed territory real quick.

45:40
All right. Okay,

Anu
45:42
I need clubhouse on my smart speakers, at least just to listen when I'm in the audience also when in the car. Need Bluetooth Connect. I think that is. Yeah, just about we've been getting nothing as people are venturing out into the wild west and want to be on clubhouse, but they want to use all their devices

Paul
46:04
Rojava no you have bad connectivity right now, actually don't know what the state is of the different types of conductivity, you can have, you know, there's like straight up Bluetooth pairing there's CarPlay there's support for the different smart speakers. I don't know when it works, and when it doesn't work. If you have connectivity now and you know the answer, chime in. I actually don't know the answer, but I have good connectivity now. Okay, so if Justin or, or, you know Daniel or monpazier or someone on the team has an answer that, let us know. And otherwise, maybe we can take it as a to to try and get the answer for that and share more in the next town hall.

Anu
46:48
Okay, sounds good. All right, popular question, but I think we've mentioned it. I don't know what maybe in news orientation, a town hall and said, you mentioned there may be some asynchronous content features. In previous town halls. When could we expect this. And could you give us any more details.

Paul
47:08
I think that we, we don't have any details to share on that right now. But I do think that it's, I think that it is a really interesting product area right i mean it's it's obviously something that some people would like, and I think that we really. Boy, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try and go turbo mode. It's something that, that we're thinking about for sure it's something we have thoughts on and hopefully, you know, we'll, we'll be able to get more thoughts and more detailed in the in the not too distant future, but it's something that's super top of mind and. And let me take it to do to get you more, more info on that soon,

Anu
47:54
where everybody's talking about all the stuff they want us to do. So this is one of them.

Paul
48:03
Oh yeah, there were rumors circulating online about something related to this.

Stephanie
48:08
I'm like, that wasn't obviously, the way he said three different ways with pauses. Anyway, moving on.

Anu
48:20
Alright. Where can I find out how many people have visited my profile, clubs, the number of clubhouse users number of clubs, investors, which is an interesting question. So, I think basically like, Where can I get a much deeper cut of. You know how people are engaging in a room in a conversation. Simply

Paul
48:43
you. We don't provide that information in the app right now. The.

Paul
48:56
Excuse me, sir, live audio everybody. Sorry, we don't provide that information right now. But, um, we'd like to provide that in the future I think it's like analytics and everything related to that is something that is really really important. If I had to prioritize which we unfortunately do. I think it's more important to make sure that people can find your room. And you can consistently grow your audience every week. And so the stuff that we're prioritizing first is the stuff that makes all of your engagement and retention and growth numbers go up, rather than stuff that gives you all the details around that. And so you can't do it yet there's some third party tools that that I think, try to do this. We do not endorse those because you know they're, they're not, you know, they're not things that we're involved with. But we're hoping to build more of that stuff into the product maybe later this year. And we know it's, I just think it's more important. Everyone who would like to hear about your room can find your room really quickly, and that you can consistently grow your audience every week. So we're doing that stuff first. All right,

Anu
50:20
well politics drink of water. Next question. Thank you. Okay, this is a fun one. I'm not a musician, but I'd love to know if there's a way to start a room, only with myself in order to check the sound of my musical instrument and voice before I join a room with a lot of people, basically, a soundcheck, or going onstage.

Paul
50:40
Yeah, so I guess the question is, how do you hear yourself.

Anu
50:44
I think that was the question they're asking us,

Stephanie
50:49
but but I think you could tag, I mean you can start a roommate room idea.

Paul
50:55
But yeah, that wouldn't, but that would, you wouldn't hear the audio right.

Anu
50:58
We split it, you can start a room with yourself that we know but how can you hear yourself I think that is the question Is there a way to do. No,

Paul
51:06
what I would say is I would start a private room with one other person. Have them go in the audience, or just have them either record it, or, or tell you how it sounds, that's probably the best way you could do it.

Stephanie
51:22
Oh, but actually that's an idea you could record yourself and play it back.

Paul
51:28
No, no,

Anu
51:29
but how would you get the output.

Paul
51:31
The output. Yeah, I think, have a friend go in the audience.

Anu
51:36
Okay, we're gonna go with that for now and we'll keep it I know we have a lot of musicians who are excited about a lot of features we can build for them and I know it's something on

Stephanie
51:43
our mind. Well, maybe that means maybe next week we could do an expanded chat on green rooms because I still get asked that all the time.

Anu
51:53
Totally. Alright, Paul, I'm going to give you, let's see two more. I know we want to get to some bits that okay, what are the priorities you're focusing on to serve the clubhouse community right

Paul
52:05
now. Turbo answers, helping everyone discover great rooms, because there's so much more that we can do there. And if you're a creator. That means helping more people discover your rooms, and if you're. And if you're not like professionally, is helping you find your people find your communities like that's a huge thing that we're focused on. The second thing is helping creators grow consistently every week, and just giving them the playbook and the tools to know how to do that because I think that's really really important. And third thing is hiring more engineers, so please go to club. COMM slash jobs if you're a talented engineer and would like to help us build more features faster. That's really, other stuff, there's tons of other stuff we could talk about, but those are the the near term priorities.

Anu
52:54
Should we actually stop there and actually do pro tips today cuz I know we're gonna have a lot of features coming out, we wanted to talk about wait for a little bit.

Paul
53:03
Yeah, but we already, I'm not sure what else,

Anu
53:06
what other policies we've, we've we've talked

53:12
everything there is about

Anu
53:14
everything else we could talk about a stuff we're not sure of and we'd have to ask. Alright, we can just do request for shows we might actually end on time today.

Paul
53:25
I don't think we're gonna do a couple more things.

Anu
53:29
Paul wants more questions. Okay,

Paul
53:31
we have six more minutes.

Anu
53:33
Paul's actually concerned about being able to talk for six minutes I like. Okay, I'm here. Let me give you another one real quick. What does show me fewer like this do, and I think this person is referencing. When you're in the hallway and you want to give feedback on a room, you can click and it says, Show me fewer like this, and then sub question is club humming feature so users can block or hide irrelevant clubs. From the homepage and calendar view, not just individual rooms, I feel like we've had this question a few times.

Paul
54:09
Okay, so some people don't know, but if you were in the hallway, and you see a room, you can say, you can tap on it and you can say, show me if you are like this. And it will do two things. One is, it'll hide the room from your feed right then so you don't see it. And it will also make it so that we, we show you. You are rooms that are hosted by that person, I think that, and we're gonna get more and more sophisticated about that but basically it means I don't want to see this right now and I also want to see fewer rooms like this in the future. So that sort of does dual purpose if you accidentally hide it or you want to unhide it you can unhide it if you messed up you can undo it, so don't worry it's not, it's not a high stress thing to do and it helps us make your feet better every day. The second thing that you can do as a side note, from that ellipsis, is you can report the room title. If you see a room that has a title that you think violates committee guidelines, and you don't want to enter the room. You can report it directly from the hallway.

Anu
55:20
Perfect. Okay, another is kind of related but I think an interesting question or suggestion, would you consider adding an indicator or warning of some sort, when there are rooms that are about, for example, adult topics, I don't necessarily want to see these in my feed all of the time.

Paul
55:39
Yes, so I think that the. Yeah, I understand that that makes sense, like the. It's something that we've been looking at, we've been talking about policy came about. Sometimes people have conversations that are just more adult in nature, and that could, it could be, you know, everything from positivity rooms or discussing work in the internet. And those can be great conversations and we want to create space for those. We also want to give people more control over whether certain content shows up in their hallways in case they want a more PG experience. And so we talked with the team last week about what the right solution for that is because you have to do two things you have to know that that room would fit into that category and you have to get people to opt in or opt out of that category. And that first one. Does that mean you have people manually tag it, and they have a responsibility to do that or something else. So there's some details to think through there, and we're working on it with our Community Health team right now.

Anu
56:45
Okay, this is feature chat if I recall is what we want to call these. Another one real quick. Do you have mind, a web dot clubhouse calm. Any way where you could basically have a web app, For example where you could just use a QR code.

Paul
57:04
You open it, we would like to do that. And if you are a talented web and would like to compel that please go to club house.com slash jobs, we're not working on that right now we would like to have that. and it's just a matter of prioritization prioritization, honestly,

Anu
57:21
I would love to have that. So, background, while I'm working during the day. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I would like that awesome. I'm going to stop for questions there Paul Yeah. All right. Yeah, a couple of requests for show rooms.

Paul
57:45
If you haven't checked it out, try it out because it's pretty fun, shows that the other one that we're talking about totally Is there a lot of big movies and TV shows and video games that are coming out over the next few weeks. And, and there's a, there's a great show about the big O's that Netflix did on presentation on Saturday and and it's really good to hear insights and get recommendations on what to watch or what to play from the community. So that's another one we've been thinking about is like shows her about some of these movies, TV shows, video games that people are really excited about that and be coming out over the next few weeks. That is that is that those are the two that I've been hearing.

Stephanie
58:34
I don't say we did the, I think last week you said the hybrid like essentially where there's people that are live attending event and then maybe some people are just joining via clubhouse, and we had the unfinished obviously that was a great example of that this week, but also yesterday I actually thought the Global Citizen live that they did where they had two people on the ground, and I know canal Sood was actually at his apartment kind of hosting Mission Control and they had someone in Paris and someone in LA. I think that works really well to do live as long as you have sort of Michigan troll and CO hosts that are sort of in clubhouse and then having people join I thought that worked really really well. Just adding that.

Paul
59:11
Oh, another one that I like is when people open up quick rooms. You know that. Like, they're like, you know I've got five minutes I've got 10 minutes and like Come check it out. And, like, this week BJ Novak open one that was just called What's up, can people come in, he's like, what's up, and they would come in and like, come on stage and just say what was up. And I think he was driving or something like that and I really liked that because you don't, it doesn't need to be a big commitment to start a room so I'd love to find more ways for people to do these kind of like time limited rooms where you can have a really cool experience and just know that it's only minutes.

Stephanie
59:52
That was also like Tiffany Haddish his room had said, I saw worse than cell phones

Anu
59:56
ring to say that sounds awesome. Please join. I was gonna say, also, okay so like, what's up rooms but like oddly specific life happening rooms. I saw a horse named x in this location carries

Stephanie
1:00:12
the name, the horses name was Paris see I remembered because was so specific.

Anu
1:00:18
So a little bit I like some of the weird stuff, you know, we have all the big tentpole kind of amazing conversations but some of the nice weird stuff is great too.

Paul
1:00:26
A lot of the nice weird stuff is great, it's the internet. Right,

1:00:30
it's the internet.

Paul
1:00:35
All right. 1001, barely over we're doing a pretty good job I think lots of great conversations happening today. Hollis Robinson is hosting acclaimed author, Eliot, pepper, I don't know. I'm embarrassed. I don't know.

Stephanie
1:00:53
I think it's keep keeper but

Paul
1:00:57
Elliot. I apologize for not knowing that my life is nothing besides clubhouse right now in the science fiction talk club so go hallway search science fiction talk. It's really an amazing club, like it's really really an amazing club I've been to their rooms, quite a few times before if you love writers also have Joyce Carol Oates and Neil Stevenson scheduled for later this fall. Wow, that's amazing. That's incredible. So that's science fiction talk club. There is an encore audio dramatic performance of Ray Bradbury's Kaleidoscope today at 10:15am pacific time so 13 minutes from now, in the movie club, so go follow movie club, or join Movie Club rather and as Steph mentioned earlier, reminder tonight, Axl, and the lullaby club are back for season two. With special guest JP sacks so check that out at 9pm. Pacific time.

Anu
1:01:59
Isn't it cool that we have a season to have something now. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah,

Stephanie
1:02:04
this actually we should touch on this next time, like just encouraging people if you are hosting to take make it think, like, totally take a break a quick break, take a quick break, come back, we're here for you still.

Paul
1:02:17
All right, thank you so much, everybody. Have a great rest of your weekend, thank you for hanging out with us. We'll be back next Sunday and if you're new please orientation, every Wednesday 5pm Pacific time. Thanks. Have a good

1:02:31
Sunday. Thanks. That sounded like.

John
1:03:07
But I just think a lot of people are not putting the money into something which, which produces high ROI. Right, so, you know, there are lots of different ways you can do that, there are lots of different processes you can do to do them. And I just think, you know, for most people right now they, they're not really in a position to understand some of the process. So definitely make sure you are doing that. Okay, number nine, the ninth thing and the ninth with a rich people multiply their money is they invest in themselves. How many of you agree that that you all your biggest asset, give me a little Henry's if you if you agree with that. Come on, I want to see how many of you really do agree with is so Irish Michael Chrissy, Mary Ellen Nisa bazar Farah, Deon Jamie Landry Miss roti Hodge Krisztian su Jan Well, a lot of you. A lot of you. Now the issue is, you know, if you're not investing yourself, it means you're not acquiring new knowledge like I always say to people, if you could have done it you already would have done it. And this is saying that says, you know you can't solve a problem with the same level of thinking that created that problem in the first place. So that's why we must always acquire knowledge that's why we must always invest in ourselves like you know I had to fly halfway around the world to Chicago to San Diego just to learn some of these principles to fly to Monaco to spend some time with you know a whole lot of influences learning this stuff, so you do have to invest in yourself, right, naturally, you know what I talked about the piggy system PHP s right. So the first one the not p, right so if you're earning 5000, a month, you put 1000 into the P for Play account, you put another 1000 into AI for investment account, you put another one, another 1000 into G for giving account, then you put another one into, into the E for education, and then you put another one into S for saving. So, I think a lot of you what you should be doing is making sure that you're putting money into something that can really grow, you put your money into something, you know that that gives you better knowledge, like I had to sell my car and spend two days with a guy called. Can you know because of him. He's the guy who gave me the knowledge on how to put your money into, you know, a piece of real estate and then to refinance that money back out. So you can basically recycle that that deposit over and over again. And if I didn't acquire that knowledge I would not have been able to build a multimillion pound property portfolio, And it's, and that those skills I've learned, you know, even my own house that I'm living in right now. You know, like when I bought it, I got a massive discount like, like, almost 20% off. So I just want you all to know that, that you must invest in yourself. That's why, Again, I created jail club because it's constant learning every single day. You know every single week, but you implemented a teaching strategy, with a plan, and everything's straight to the point, and you get to acquire the knowledge because social media is changing really really fast, you probably notice the algorithms changing Foster's, like, why am I not getting the people in my rooms now in clubhouse. So, why, how can I make this post and no one's liked liked my post, but I'm getting to people like my posts for example. Well, there are certain algorithms that you need to understand and they change all the time. Okay. And I said to the last one, number 10. This one's the probably the most, most important about out of everything I've just talked about, and 10 ways rich people multiply their money. And by the way if you are getting a lot of value from this, make sure you check out some of the people on this stage and we've got some new comments we have MIDI we have Dylan we have Simon Annelle Alexia, Anthony, and some really awesome rooms on. You know he does a lot of stuff, especially with like clubhouse like recaps exam rooms, a lot of the town hall recaps as well so definitely check out some of us do in there. We've got 10 G Colin Asia Heather Tang Joanne Chloe King Kermit Lainey Molly Molina Camilia who runs some really really epic rooms as well. Also Rob Moore, and Emily I think Emily and probably run a big social media room yesterday as well so that's, yeah, definitely make sure you follow the speaks on the stage because these are the oh geez like when I joined this platform in December 27 You know these are the people that have stayed on this platform and they're here now. That tells you something about them and these are all people that I'm personally following so do make sure you follow them and also if you like this content, you can also give me a follow as well.

John
1:07:37
And also once you follow me next the Follow button the bell icon. Click that by Bell icon and set it to always so every time I started we will always be notified, but also as Rob said if you do a pull down to refresh the top of this room you'll see like a little house little green house that says entrepreneur millionaire secrets. So if you click on that entrepreneur millennial secrets you can actually follow the club and become a member of the club for free. It's currently free but it will be charged soon I know clubhouse are gonna be charging money on that, and I know sometimes, you know, you may have to pay to get into these rooms in the future as well so make sure you do that, if you join now, I'll let you join for free for the entrepreneurial and secrets club. Alright number 10. The 10th way rich people multiply their money, is they are leveraging social media. Look at what Jeff Bezos is doing right now. Look what Elon Musk is doing every company has a launch, look at what Apple did I pose is a multi trillion dollar company got more cash than any company in the world right now but yet they still, you know when they launched some support for second. You know when they launched the iPhone last week. I was one of the viewers on YouTube watching the stream. Do you know how many people watching 5 million people saw that stream in less than 24 hours. It was insane. The margin amount of pre orders that went in for the iPhone. A lot of rhetoric social media like Elon Musk, you know he's taking jabs at Jeff Bezos for you know Blue Origin using social media, I'm not sure if that's a good way to leverage social media but leveraging social media right now is your brand. I look at all the like Richard Branson has, has a brand and in fact if you look at Tesla is like, I don't know if I think two or 3 million people that follow Tesla, but 50 million people that follow Elon Musk, so that's why personal brands are more important than ever. My friend, my good friend Rob Moore talks about always creating digital assets, he talks about, you know, creating Rob mobile's got over 1000 properties that the ownership and management but yet he's saying Now, the thing that's going to trump is in his multi, multi, multi million pound property portfolio is gonna be within its own line your personal brand like Joe Rogan, you mentioned in one of our last events, you know, literally, was just creating so much exposure that Spotify we're both buying for 100 million. I mean think of that. That's crazy. Oh Camila I think you're on a hot mic mute for a second. Sorry about that. I don't know why keeps on doing that, my apologies. Okay, that's cool. So yeah, I mean, this is what you got to start embracing right now and every time I speak to people go oh John I wish that I saw such social media, years ago people go on social media for kids. No, not anymore. John, I'm too old for social media No You're no right, my oldest students 75 years old. Oh yeah but John like, you know I'm not good with computers, you don't have to be good with your technical record John I don't wanna show my face on camera, you don't have to roll John if you have products or services so you don't have to. You can literally promote other people's products and services through cloud, I'll give you a really fast way to make money right now, listen to this, find someone who's got 100,000 followers, right, and find a product that matches their audience and get them to promote it and you just take 10% of the proceeds of the of the sales that come in. That's it. Right, that's just a really fast way to do it but obviously if you have your own audience is much better. So, again, this is why I created the master class which will be happening.
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